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Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:44 am

Reggie Redbird wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:32 am
At least playing at NAU and home vs them gives us a quality non-con opponent each year of the deal.
This has always been my problem with St. Xavier. We could have replaced it with a quality H&H and it balances out over time when we get the return game.

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Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:27 pm

I just dont like the SXU game because football is a dangerous game and all we need is one of our all-conference or AA potential players getting tackled wrong in a game that means less than nothing in early September.

SXU went 9-1 last year and finished as the 9th best NAIA team in the country. They don't lose very often and not to say we are in danger of losing (cmon, man- we will probably win this 52-7), but a team that is not used to losing is one that tends to play angry and undisciplined when they are losing big.

I'm VERY worried about sloppy play from a Junior College level player costing one of our best players a season.

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Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:52 pm

MadBird wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:43 am
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Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:15 am
fourthandshort wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:30 am
except budgets are all relative to each sport .. football has way more coaches, schollies, and other expenses. My only point is .. I accept that we have budget constraints and that football is probably teetering into red last (scheduling issues above) and this year (speculating on coaches hired), and forgot that we had to arrange financing of the new turf.

So I don't think Lyons is stupid, nor do I think Spack said playing STX is fine with him ... but I am speculating/assuming we didn't shop the STX game harder because of budgetary concerns .. and based on that, Spack may have backed off. But assuming this is the case, Lyon's should have established relationship with big donors to help bail him out of this situation to pay for SWAC/MEAC game /.. knowing there are serious playoff implications .. especially in a year we are rebuilding defense.

Ironically WIU did exact same thing with exact same STX game they had scheduled last year ... except they took a road trip at a D-I school, in place of a home game against STX. WIU fixed it, we did not.
Fourth, I always appreciate your insight and commitment to Redbird football. I enjoy reading your posts because you bring up good points, propose common-sense solutions, etc.

I think in bold is very important. We just do not have enough donors who can move the needle. If we needed $100k or $250k for something, do we have anybody cultivated who can help make that much of a difference? I'm not saying we need the Koch Brothers in Wichita to fund Gregg Marshall's contracts or a T. Boone Pickens to fund a $200-$300 million facilities renovation at Oklahoma State.

Did anyone reach out to a group of boosters (ex. 10 generous ones) and say, "Would you be willing to make a 1-time gift of $2,500 or $5,000 to help draft a quality home opponent? Or would you be willing to help underwrite project X so we can reallocate those funds for a D-1 home opponent?" If that doesn't work, I'm sure you could have found a larger group of boosters (ex. 25-50) willing to help and pony up amounts between $250-$1,000 to help fund a better opponent.

Major fundraising as a whole concerns me, as do other things (scheduling, contracts decision timing). I guess if we can't afford to raise funds to buy one FCS non-con home game, we certainly can't expect to make significant progress towards a transformational indoor facility.
I don't pretend to understand the inside-out of athletics funding, other than the dough I've been ponying up for season tickets and donations to ISU, Wisconsin and Marquette over the years -- that being said, hard to believe, or sad to believe, we can't tap a few guys for that kind of help. Kevin Glenn? Cam Meredith? Nate Palmer? I'm forgetting a guy or two there playing pro ball with contracts. Maybe it's asking too much, I just don't know.

On the other hand, on the plus side, maybe Spack simply expects to be 10-1 or 9-2 this season and the St. X game won't matter ?? :D
I believe we would be dead in the water if we counted on most former athletes for donations let alone huge donations. Sadly, a lot of them feel they gave their all (most for a sizable/full scholarship) and choose not to donate. We have some very generous former athletes, just most of them didn't mak their money in athletics. Kevin Glenn doesn't make enough in the CFL to donate a ton, but for those who have made sizable fortunes in athletics, their alma mater is not who gets major gifts right now. I hope that changes in the future with DeJong, Stewart, Meredith, etc. Maybe someday they can be to us what Curtis Granderson was to UIC.

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Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:50 pm

Just throwing this out there. Every time any institution has to change it's standard operating procedure, there is organizational resistance. It occurs to me that ISU football has never really scheduled to maximize playoff chances. Financial constraints drove it, and always had. A new mindset is needed. One that values H&Hs against FCS royalty as program building things. I say we show our displeasure with XSU by no-showing in big, big numbers. Shouldn't affect the outcome, right?

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StLRedbird wrote:Just throwing this out there. Every time any institution has to change it's standard operating procedure, there is organizational resistance. It occurs to me that ISU football has never really scheduled to maximize playoff chances. Financial constraints drove it, and always had. A new mindset is needed. One that values H&Hs against FCS royalty as program building things. I say we show our displeasure with XSU by no-showing in big, big numbers. Shouldn't affect the outcome, right?
showing my displeasure by not showing up to support the team does not feel right.


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Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:12 am

We were supposed to be Drake by 6 TDs a few years ago too.....
LET'S WIN THIS GAME!

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We were supposed to be Drake by 6 TDs a few years ago too.....
Here is my thought. If this game is not at least a 60+ point win, we are in for a rough season. That may be unfair for it being game one with a new defense and all, but there is a reason SXU is NAIA and we are D1-FCS.

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Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:57 am

Adunk33 wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:35 am
isuquinndog wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:12 am
We were supposed to be Drake by 6 TDs a few years ago too.....
Here is my thought. If this game is not at least a 60+ point win, we are in for a rough season. That may be unfair for it being game one with a new defense and all, but there is a reason SXU is NAIA and we are D1-FCS.
Fully disagree. There is no reason to "run it up". I think ISU gets a 5 TD lead and lays off the gas pedal. I'd be surprised if you didn't see 2 or 3 QB in the game, though, along with quite a few freshmen lined up by the 4th quarter.

You should never "expect" 50+ points, much less a margin of victory of more than that ever. Hell, weather alone may limit the over/under to 49. Who knows?

All ISU has to do is have a comfortable win and everyone will forget this game ever even happened. I look at this just as I look at the Quincy game at RBA every year. Win by more than 5 possessions and move on to your next game, but don't kill yourself to drop 100.

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Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:28 pm

Redbirdwarrior wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:57 am
Adunk33 wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:35 am
isuquinndog wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:12 am
We were supposed to be Drake by 6 TDs a few years ago too.....
Here is my thought. If this game is not at least a 60+ point win, we are in for a rough season. That may be unfair for it being game one with a new defense and all, but there is a reason SXU is NAIA and we are D1-FCS.
Fully disagree. There is no reason to "run it up". I think ISU gets a 5 TD lead and lays off the gas pedal. I'd be surprised if you didn't see 2 or 3 QB in the game, though, along with quite a few freshmen lined up by the 4th quarter.

You should never "expect" 50+ points, much less a margin of victory of more than that ever. Hell, weather alone may limit the over/under to 49. Who knows?

All ISU has to do is have a comfortable win and everyone will forget this game ever even happened. I look at this just as I look at the Quincy game at RBA every year. Win by more than 5 possessions and move on to your next game, but don't kill yourself to drop 100.
Im not suggesting we run up the score, but I'm saying our backups and freshmen should be better than their starters. I posted this in another thread but feel it is applicable here too.

In these tune-up games recently we have:
Beat Butler 45-0
Valpo 53-13
Morgan State 67-14
Mississippi Valley State 62-0
Dayton 56-14

So on average: 56.6-8.2

All of those schools are at least FCS (right?). This isn't even D3. Its NAIA. We should score 80+, they should score 0. Give the fans something since the ball was seriously dropped with this game. I hope we aren't paying them too much to come play here.

We should get up by 5 scores in the first half, then put in the backups, who should be able to score at least 3 more times, then the third string who should at the very least score once.

I see your Quincy point with MBB, but the margin for error is much larger in MBB. If the men's team were to lose to Quincy, the lose the at-large big they were never going to get. If ISU loses to SXU or just really having this game at all and we end the season with a total of 7 wins (including the SXU game) the committee sees that at 6. A 6-5 record likely keeps football out of at-large consideration.

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Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:15 pm

Adunk33 wrote:
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All of those schools are at least FCS (right?). This isn't even D3. Its NAIA. We should score 80+, they should score 0.
NAIA is D2-comparable.

Nevertheless, your point is taken.

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Humdinger wrote:
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Adunk33 wrote:
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All of those schools are at least FCS (right?). This isn't even D3. Its NAIA. We should score 80+, they should score 0.
NAIA is D2-comparable.

Nevertheless, your point is taken.
:text-+1: I appreciate that. I did not realize that.

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Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:14 pm

"Honestly, how does this game even get scheduled?"

Probably what most P5 schools say when they seen an FCS team on their slate.

Would I prefer a better opponent, hell yes. That said, get the W and stay healthy.

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Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:55 pm

CaliRdBrd wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:14 pm
"Honestly, how does this game even get scheduled?"

Probably what most P5 schools say when they seen an FCS team on their slate.

Would I prefer a better opponent, hell yes. That said, get the W and stay healthy.
P5 can count FCS games towards D1 bowl wins. We cannot count D2,, NAIA, etc. Granted Dayton, Butler, and Valpo cannot offer athletic scholarships but the win still counts for more.

I love home FB games but I love a shot at a championship even more. I’d rather sacrifice the home game than play SXU. I am pretty confident I will be giving tickets away to this game because nobody I know will want to pay for them, even half price.

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Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:13 pm

I researched this a year or so ago... 90% of FBS teams schedule an FCS game .. which is why I went on my Barry Alvarez is Wus campaign. Going to guess maybe 15% of FCS schools dare to schedule a D-II much less an NAIA game. It is usually only done as last resort. And as other poster mentioned, the latter has serious playoff implications.. the former does not.
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:46 pm

Adunk33 wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:28 pm
Redbirdwarrior wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:57 am


There is no reason to "run it up". I think ISU gets a 5 TD lead and lays off the gas pedal. I'd be surprised if you didn't see 2 or 3 QB in the game, though, along with quite a few freshmen lined up by the 4th quarter.

You should never "expect" 50+ points, much less a margin of victory of more than that ever. Hell, weather alone may limit the over/under to 49. Who knows?

In these tune-up games recently we have:
Beat Butler 45-0
Valpo 53-13
Morgan State 67-14
Mississippi Valley State 62-0
Dayton 56-14

So on average: 56.6-8.2

This isn't even D3. Its NAIA.
If you're willing to go back further we played a NAIA school in 1991 that's in the same conference as St. X. That school was St. Francis of IL and the final score was
Illinois St. 19 St. Francis 17
with the Redbirds pulling it out with a late FG.
The next week the Redbirds traveled to FBS Akron and won 25-3......Any Given Saturday

I hope the St. Xavier game is not that close and a lot of guys get to play. As Warrior mentioned I'd like to see at least 2 Redbird QB's in action. Brady Davis will come into August camp as the #2 (this thread used to be about him) and if he's still #2 for the opener I'd like to see him blow off some rust and get in there. If Hatfield, Broadnax or Smith get to play along with Kolbe that's great too. I'm eager to see what we've got.

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Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:17 am

Total Red wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:46 pm
Adunk33 wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:28 pm
Redbirdwarrior wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:57 am


There is no reason to "run it up". I think ISU gets a 5 TD lead and lays off the gas pedal. I'd be surprised if you didn't see 2 or 3 QB in the game, though, along with quite a few freshmen lined up by the 4th quarter.

You should never "expect" 50+ points, much less a margin of victory of more than that ever. Hell, weather alone may limit the over/under to 49. Who knows?

In these tune-up games recently we have:
Beat Butler 45-0
Valpo 53-13
Morgan State 67-14
Mississippi Valley State 62-0
Dayton 56-14

So on average: 56.6-8.2

This isn't even D3. Its NAIA.
If you're willing to go back further we played a NAIA school in 1991 that's in the same conference as St. X. That school was St. Francis of IL and the final score was
Illinois St. 19 St. Francis 17
with the Redbirds pulling it out with a late FG.
The next week the Redbirds traveled to FBS Akron and won 25-3......Any Given Saturday

I hope the St. Xavier game is not that close and a lot of guys get to play. As Warrior mentioned I'd like to see at least 2 Redbird QB's in action. Brady Davis will come into August camp as the #2 (this thread used to be about him) and if he's still #2 for the opener I'd like to see him blow off some rust and get in there. If Hatfield, Broadnax or Smith get to play along with Kolbe that's great too. I'm eager to see what we've got.
Right on TR. And that St. Fracis team was coached by..... Gordie Gillespie coaching legend and grandfather of our women's basketball coach Kristen Gillespie.
St X isn't going to lay down. They've got some scholarship athletes who will come out and play.
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:43 am

TIMMY wrote:
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And that St. Francis team was coached by..... Gordie Gillespie coaching legend and grandfather of our women's basketball coach Kristen Gillespie.
Interesting, I wonder if Kristen was at that game. It's a little late but I would still welcome her to post an analysis. :D

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Total Red wrote:
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If you're willing to go back further we played a NAIA school in 1991 that's in the same conference as St. X. That school was St. Francis of IL and the final score was
Illinois St. 19 St. Francis 17
with the Redbirds pulling it out with a late FG.
I believe it was a 48 or 49 yard field goal with no time left on the clock too. Much like the game at Northwestern the kick hit the upright before going thru. Pretty sure the kicker was Cameron Bair.

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Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:53 am

We should score 80? 80?! What kind of sportsmanship does that show? If you get up by 50 and aren't running up the gut every play to eat clock, you are a trash panda and are risking your players getting hurt in retaliation.

If ISU was up 48 in the late 3rd and decided to throw 40 yard bombs, I'd be pissed as a fan. It's classless.

Also, 80 points? Are these guys on SXU stepping onto a football field for the first time ever? Fun fact: my high school had 2 all state players my sr. year. Both were offered scholarships to NIU and WMU. Both ended up playing D2 and tearing it up. These guys on the other sideline are smaller and there are less of them, but they are legit football players. Most were at least 2nd team all conference in HS if not 1st team. ISU should win easily on athletism alone, but 80 points? Have you EVER seen 80 points put up by anyone ever? No, for several good reasons.

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Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:12 pm

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These guys on the other sideline are smaller and there are less of them, but they are legit football players.

Yup. Plus, its a good football program.

In saying that, we should slosh 'em and we'll all be pizzed if we don't. But if we come in with a sorry attitude, they could throw snake eyes and next thing ya know we miss the playoffs.

Certainly not excited about playing them, but all those in red and white better be excited come gameday.

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