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RedbirdSoxFan
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:16 pm

@ Miami (Keyshawn Evans)
@ Stanford (Phil Fayne)

Buy Game against any of these teams: (Distance from ISU)
Cincinnati (283 miles)
Indiana (219 miles)
Kansas (419 miles)
Kansas State (499 miles)
Kentucky (360 miles)
Louisville (286 miles)
Michigan (345 miles)
Michigan State (324 miles)
Missouri (254 miles)
Notre Dame (199 miles)
Ohio State (352 miles)
Purdue (114 miles)
Tennessee (530 miles)


Would like H/H with a couple of these, but doubt if they would agree:
Butler
Creighton
Dayton
DePaul
Gonzaga
Marquette
Memphis
St Mary's(CA)
St Louis
Tulsa
Wichita State
Xavier

Good Mid-Majors to schedule H/H with:
Belmont
Middle Tennessee
Murray State
Northern Kentucky
University Illinois-Chicago
Western Kentucky
Wright State

cubird
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:27 pm

Michigan owes us a game against former coaches. Shockers will never willing play us as long as current coaches are at both schools. Don" t think DePaul wants another whipping anytime soon.

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Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:34 pm

I agree. I think Michigan owes us two games, one for each assistant. Or I'll take one game in Normal with them. They played at Bradley a few years back...

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Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:41 pm

Big East is no different than Big Ten now. They aren't going to do home-homes with Valley. A-10 yes. Not Big East. Unlikely AAC (top teams at least). Creighton and Wichita St. are not going to play in Redbird Arena any time soon.

West Coast Conf is good idea. We got BYU. Why not St. Mary's or Gonzaga.

With the new rules about Tier 1 wins, buy games aren't as bad of a proposition for ISU. A lot of those P6 + top AAC teams will be in RPI Top 75. Getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to get a Tier 1 road win isn't too bad of a deal for a school like ISU. And if you got 1 or 2 of them and hold serve at home......your resume is going to stack up pretty well.

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Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:21 pm

V Boy wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:41 pm
Big East is no different than Big Ten now. They aren't going to do home-homes with Valley. A-10 yes. Not Big East. Unlikely AAC (top teams at least). Creighton and Wichita St. are not going to play in Redbird Arena any time soon.

West Coast Conf is good idea. We got BYU. Why not St. Mary's or Gonzaga.

With the new rules about Tier 1 wins, buy games aren't as bad of a proposition for ISU. A lot of those P6 + top AAC teams will be in RPI Top 75. Getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to get a Tier 1 road win isn't too bad of a deal for a school like ISU. And if you got 1 or 2 of them and hold serve at home......your resume is going to stack up pretty well.
Unless you mean play multiple road buy games against the P5, we aren't going to make "hundreds of thousands of dollars." Those are football paydays. I don't disagree with playing at Kentucky like we did, but what about places like at Purdue, at Mizzou, at Penn State, at Iowa, at Indiana. Most are local enough for our fans to get to and we could likely net a range of $50k-80k.

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Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:29 pm

Reggie Redbird wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:21 pm
V Boy wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:41 pm
Big East is no different than Big Ten now. They aren't going to do home-homes with Valley. A-10 yes. Not Big East. Unlikely AAC (top teams at least). Creighton and Wichita St. are not going to play in Redbird Arena any time soon.

West Coast Conf is good idea. We got BYU. Why not St. Mary's or Gonzaga.

With the new rules about Tier 1 wins, buy games aren't as bad of a proposition for ISU. A lot of those P6 + top AAC teams will be in RPI Top 75. Getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to get a Tier 1 road win isn't too bad of a deal for a school like ISU. And if you got 1 or 2 of them and hold serve at home......your resume is going to stack up pretty well.
Unless you mean play multiple road buy games against the P5, we aren't going to make "hundreds of thousands of dollars." Those are football paydays. I don't disagree with playing at Kentucky like we did, but what about places like at Purdue, at Mizzou, at Penn State, at Iowa, at Indiana. Most are local enough for our fans to get to and we could likely net a range of $50k-80k.
Penn State (673 miles)a little far for a large Redbird turnout.
Iowa (157 RPI) and Indiana (125 RPI) not much of a boost in RPI as bad as they were. Would prefer a buy-game be against a team that is at least ranked in the top four or five of their conference. Don't think Iowa or Indiana will be there in 18-19 (but could surprise).

A road 25-50 RPI win would look really good on a resume' A 3rd-5th place pre-season pick in the ACC, SEC, BIG 10, SEC, BIG East; or 3rd place in AAC would be a good Road Buy-Game.

Top 20 Team would be tough to beat on the road. Maybe one team in the 20-50 RPI range.PURDUE

A Top 5 ranked team (like the year the Birds played Kentucky & Maryland, and Louisville) MICHIGAN (Because they owe us)

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Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:34 pm

But, we all know Lewis will be on the regular season schedule this year.

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Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:34 pm

Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:34 pm
But, we all know Lewis will be on the regular season schedule this year.
Does Saint Xavier have a basketball team? Maybe we could get a game with them. Maybe that is part of the football deal.

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Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:46 pm

Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:34 pm
But, we all know Lewis will be on the regular season schedule this year.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:29 pm

RedbirdSoxFan wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:16 pm
@ Miami (Keyshawn Evans)
@ Stanford (Phil Fayne)

Buy Game against any of these teams: (Distance from ISU)
Cincinnati (283 miles)
Indiana (219 miles)
Kansas (419 miles)
Kansas State (499 miles)
Kentucky (360 miles)
Louisville (286 miles)
Michigan (345 miles)
Michigan State (324 miles)
Missouri (254 miles)
Notre Dame (199 miles)
Ohio State (352 miles)
Purdue (114 miles)
Tennessee (530 miles)


Would like H/H with a couple of these, but doubt if they would agree:
Butler
Creighton
Dayton
DePaul
Gonzaga
Marquette
Memphis
St Mary's(CA)
St Louis
Tulsa
Wichita State
Xavier

Good Mid-Majors to schedule H/H with:
Belmont
Middle Tennessee
Murray State
Northern Kentucky
University Illinois-Chicago
Western Kentucky
Wright State
serious question..why does distance matter when ISU plays vs the premier basketball teams?... for reference second tier/rate ISU football has conference games vs Fargo based ND State (700 miles), Brookings based SD State (625 miles) and Youngstown St (510 miles) and ISU is paying for hauling at least 3X players/gear. ISU basketball should be able to play any major program in the U.S. if we are hauling football teams and gear to play relatively meaningless universities in football.

RedbirdSoxFan
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:33 pm

ChiRedbirdfan wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:29 pm
RedbirdSoxFan wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:16 pm
@ Miami (Keyshawn Evans)
@ Stanford (Phil Fayne)

Buy Game against any of these teams: (Distance from ISU)
Cincinnati (283 miles)
Indiana (219 miles)
Kansas (419 miles)
Kansas State (499 miles)
Kentucky (360 miles)
Louisville (286 miles)
Michigan (345 miles)
Michigan State (324 miles)
Missouri (254 miles)
Notre Dame (199 miles)
Ohio State (352 miles)
Purdue (114 miles)
Tennessee (530 miles)


Would like H/H with a couple of these, but doubt if they would agree:
Butler
Creighton
Dayton
DePaul
Gonzaga
Marquette
Memphis
St Mary's(CA)
St Louis
Tulsa
Wichita State
Xavier

Good Mid-Majors to schedule H/H with:
Belmont
Middle Tennessee
Murray State
Northern Kentucky
University Illinois-Chicago
Western Kentucky
Wright State
serious question..why does distance matter when ISU plays vs the premier basketball teams?... for reference second tier/rate ISU football has conference games vs Fargo based ND State (700 miles), Brookings based SD State (625 miles) and Youngstown St (510 miles) and ISU is paying for hauling at least 3X players/gear. ISU basketball should be able to play any major program in the U.S. if we are hauling football teams and gear to play relatively meaningless universities in football.
So I can go to the game!
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Jsnhbe1Birds
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:28 pm

Bird Friend wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:46 pm
Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:34 pm
But, we all know Lewis will be on the regular season schedule this year.
Quincy
Quincy was last season. This season it will be Lewis. Quincy will be the exhibition game this season. They flip flop every year it seems at this point.

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Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:50 am

RedbirdSoxFan wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:33 pm
ChiRedbirdfan wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:29 pm
RedbirdSoxFan wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:16 pm
@ Miami (Keyshawn Evans)
@ Stanford (Phil Fayne)

Buy Game against any of these teams: (Distance from ISU)
Cincinnati (283 miles)
Indiana (219 miles)
Kansas (419 miles)
Kansas State (499 miles)
Kentucky (360 miles)
Louisville (286 miles)
Michigan (345 miles)
Michigan State (324 miles)
Missouri (254 miles)
Notre Dame (199 miles)
Ohio State (352 miles)
Purdue (114 miles)
Tennessee (530 miles)


Would like H/H with a couple of these, but doubt if they would agree:
Butler
Creighton
Dayton
DePaul
Gonzaga
Marquette
Memphis
St Mary's(CA)
St Louis
Tulsa
Wichita State
Xavier

Good Mid-Majors to schedule H/H with:
Belmont
Middle Tennessee
Murray State
Northern Kentucky
University Illinois-Chicago
Western Kentucky
Wright State
serious question..why does distance matter when ISU plays vs the premier basketball teams?... for reference second tier/rate ISU football has conference games vs Fargo based ND State (700 miles), Brookings based SD State (625 miles) and Youngstown St (510 miles) and ISU is paying for hauling at least 3X players/gear. ISU basketball should be able to play any major program in the U.S. if we are hauling football teams and gear to play relatively meaningless universities in football.
So I can go to the game!
Well that is a good reason!

V Boy
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:23 am

RedbirdSoxFan wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:29 pm
Reggie Redbird wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:21 pm
V Boy wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:41 pm
Big East is no different than Big Ten now. They aren't going to do home-homes with Valley. A-10 yes. Not Big East. Unlikely AAC (top teams at least). Creighton and Wichita St. are not going to play in Redbird Arena any time soon.

West Coast Conf is good idea. We got BYU. Why not St. Mary's or Gonzaga.

With the new rules about Tier 1 wins, buy games aren't as bad of a proposition for ISU. A lot of those P6 + top AAC teams will be in RPI Top 75. Getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to get a Tier 1 road win isn't too bad of a deal for a school like ISU. And if you got 1 or 2 of them and hold serve at home......your resume is going to stack up pretty well.
Unless you mean play multiple road buy games against the P5, we aren't going to make "hundreds of thousands of dollars." Those are football paydays. I don't disagree with playing at Kentucky like we did, but what about places like at Purdue, at Mizzou, at Penn State, at Iowa, at Indiana. Most are local enough for our fans to get to and we could likely net a range of $50k-80k.
Penn State (673 miles)a little far for a large Redbird turnout.
Iowa (157 RPI) and Indiana (125 RPI) not much of a boost in RPI as bad as they were. Would prefer a buy-game be against a team that is at least ranked in the top four or five of their conference. Don't think Iowa or Indiana will be there in 18-19 (but could surprise).

A road 25-50 RPI win would look really good on a resume' A 3rd-5th place pre-season pick in the ACC, SEC, BIG 10, SEC, BIG East; or 3rd place in AAC would be a good Road Buy-Game.

Top 20 Team would be tough to beat on the road. Maybe one team in the 20-50 RPI range.[
b]PURDUE[/b]

A Top 5 ranked team (like the year the Birds played Kentucky & Maryland, and Louisville) MICHIGAN (Because they owe us)
I think we already know that the committee doesn't value 1 great Tier 1 road win PLUS a 15-3 MVC league mark (Loyola would not have gotten an at-large had it lost to ISU in Valley Title game.....that is a fact....not up for discussion).

Given this, if ISU hopes to have any chance of an at-large it is going to need to have at least 3 or 4 Tier 1 wins. If it can only maybe get 1 Tier 1 win in its own league (maybe 2 or 3 in a great year for the Valley) then we probably need to play 5 or 6 Tier 1 non-league games and win 2 or 3 of those 5 or 6 in order to get to our sum total of Tier 1 wins needed to have a competitive resume.

Given how hard it is to even get Tier 1 games in Redbird Arena (and those teams need to be Top 30 RPI for that win to count as a Tier 1 win), why not just schedule the likes of Kansas St., Tennessee, Purdue, Butler and Notre Dame on the road all in the same season. You win 2 of those 5 and you have an excellent shot at getting in. Gonzaga (arguably a Top 10-15 program) just forced its entire league to reduce its schedule so it could do more of this and the Valley (which doesn't currently have a top 50 program) is still whining about not getting home-homes.

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Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:04 am

My dream buy game would be at Ohio State. I have family in Columbus and would be a great reason to travel out for a visit. Unfortunately I think a home and home with Columbus State is more likely.

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V Boy wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:23 am
I think we already know that the committee doesn't value 1 great Tier 1 road win PLUS a 15-3 MVC league mark (Loyola would not have gotten an at-large had it lost to ISU in Valley Title game.....that is a fact....not up for discussion).

Given this, if ISU hopes to have any chance of an at-large it is going to need to have at least 3 or 4 Tier 1 wins. If it can only maybe get 1 Tier 1 win in its own league (maybe 2 or 3 in a great year for the Valley) then we probably need to play 5 or 6 Tier 1 non-league games and win 2 or 3 of those 5 or 6 in order to get to our sum total of Tier 1 wins needed to have a competitive resume.

Given how hard it is to even get Tier 1 games in Redbird Arena (and those teams need to be Top 30 RPI for that win to count as a Tier 1 win), why not just schedule the likes of Kansas St., Tennessee, Purdue, Butler and Notre Dame on the road all in the same season. You win 2 of those 5 and you have an excellent shot at getting in. Gonzaga (arguably a Top 10-15 program) just forced its entire league to reduce its schedule so it could do more of this and the Valley (which doesn't currently have a top 50 program) is still whining about not getting home-homes.
I think you forgot to carry the three, multiply by 2, and then divide by the square root of pi in your formula.
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Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:11 pm

Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:28 pm
Bird Friend wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:46 pm
Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:34 pm
But, we all know Lewis will be on the regular season schedule this year.
Quincy
Quincy was last season. This season it will be Lewis. Quincy will be the exhibition game this season. They flip flop every year it seems at this point.
Good catch. Maybe we'll go for a real switch and go with Southern Indiana.
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