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Re: WOAH!

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:29 pm
by StLRedbird
Humdinger wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:12 pm
Redbirdwarrior wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:53 am


These guys on the other sideline are smaller and there are less of them, but they are legit football players.

Yup. Plus, its a good football program.

In saying that, we should slosh 'em and we'll all be pizzed if we don't. But if we come in with a sorry attitude, they could throw snake eyes and next thing ya know we miss the playoffs.

Certainly not excited about playing them, but all those in red and white better be excited come gameday.
For chrissake, suck it up buttercups. Now this is a trap game? Not if we're a legit playoff team. Or a fair-to-midling Valley team.

Re: WOAH!

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:31 am
by isuquinndog
StLRedbird wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:29 pm
Humdinger wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:12 pm
Redbirdwarrior wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:53 am


These guys on the other sideline are smaller and there are less of them, but they are legit football players.

Yup. Plus, its a good football program.

In saying that, we should slosh 'em and we'll all be pizzed if we don't. But if we come in with a sorry attitude, they could throw snake eyes and next thing ya know we miss the playoffs.

Certainly not excited about playing them, but all those in red and white better be excited come gameday.
For chrissake, suck it up buttercups. Now this is a trap game? Not if we're a legit playoff team. Or a fair-to-midling Valley team.
http://kwese.espn.com/college-football/ ... =272422287

Re: WOAH!

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:50 am
by Chi-bird
We should beat these guys, but that’s why they play the game.

I still remember the Redbirds trailing St. Francis of Kankakee with a few seconds left in 1990 or 1991. I think it took a long goal as time expired to stave off the upset. There’s also the OT thriller versus Central Missouri.

You just never know.

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Re: WOAH!

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:56 am
by TIMMY
isuquinndog wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:31 am
StLRedbird wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:29 pm
Humdinger wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:12 pm



Yup. Plus, its a good football program.

In saying that, we should slosh 'em and we'll all be pizzed if we don't. But if we come in with a sorry attitude, they could throw snake eyes and next thing ya know we miss the playoffs.

Certainly not excited about playing them, but all those in red and white better be excited come gameday.
For chrissake, suck it up buttercups. Now this is a trap game? Not if we're a legit playoff team. Or a fair-to-midling Valley team.
http://kwese.espn.com/college-football/ ... =272422287
From our perspective that should never happen. On paper we should have won that game handily. The David vs. Goliath thing can motivate. Just ask Fitz. :shock:

Re: WOAH!

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:03 pm
by Virginia Redbird
I understand the playoff implications but at the end of the day the Redbirds need to just play the games and win. I would not take any team for granted and I don't expect Coach Spack will either. This is the first game of the season for a fairly young team and while on paper ISU should win...it will also be their first game with a bunch of new coaches, a new offensive system, a defense that is young and not yet proven and several players starting for the first time. It is not like this ISU team is the defending champions of the MVC. They have much to prove and St X is catching them at a time when they have zero game time under their belts and are adjusting to a new coaching staff. The Michigan Wolverines did not take Appalachian State seriously a few years ago and we all know how that turned out. One of, if not the biggest, upsets in FBS history. No way that ASU team should have been able to stay with the Wolverines that day but somebody just forgot to tell the Mountaineers that. If I was going to look for the positives I would say that ISU will have more and better players on their sideline and they are playing at Hancock. It is a great opportunity for the Redbirds to settle in with the new coaching staff, offensive system and young defense and get a "W" under their belt. The glass is half full from my perspective. On the other side I expect this game for St X will be a huge opportunity to get a win over a pre-season ranked MVC FCS team and they will come into Hancock ready and will play like hell to get that "W".
Go Redbirds! I am excited for the 2018 season to get going!

Re: WOAH!

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:18 pm
by RedbirdSF67
Virginia Redbird wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:03 pm
I understand the playoff implications but at the end of the day the Redbirds need to just play the games and win. I would not take any team for granted and I don't expect Coach Spack will either. This is the first game of the season for a fairly young team and while on paper ISU should win...it will also be their first game with a bunch of new coaches, a new offensive system, a defense that is young and not yet proven and several players starting for the first time. It is not like this ISU team is the defending champions of the MVC. They have much to prove and St X is catching them at a time when they have zero game time under their belts and are adjusting to a new coaching staff. The Michigan Wolverines did not take Appalachian State seriously a few years ago and we all know how that turned out. One of, if not the biggest, upsets in FBS history. No way that ASU team should have been able to stay with the Wolverines that day but somebody just forgot to tell the Mountaineers that. If I was going to look for the positives I would say that ISU will have more and better players on their sideline and they are playing at Hancock. It is a great opportunity for the Redbirds to settle in with the new coaching staff, offensive system and young defense and get a "W" under their belt. The glass is half full from my perspective. On the other side I expect this game for St X will be a huge opportunity to get a win over a pre-season ranked MVC FCS team and they will come into Hancock ready and will play like hell to get that "W".
Go Redbirds! I am excited for the 2018 season to get going!
Agreed. Hope for a hot day, and a need to go deep into the benches. Size, speed and depth should take care of the outcome with this one. Ready to move on from the Saint Xavier discussion tbh. We're stuck with it. Hopefully administration takes it as a lesson learned and move on. End of discussion.

Re: WOAH!

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:35 pm
by TIMMY
I'm not done yet. Anyone else remember when #1 Notre Dame lost to Carnage Melon? Knute took them for granted. Not sayin, just sayin.

Re: WOAH!

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:51 pm
by ChiRedbirdfan
StLRedbird wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:29 pm
Humdinger wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:12 pm
Redbirdwarrior wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:53 am


These guys on the other sideline are smaller and there are less of them, but they are legit football players.

Yup. Plus, its a good football program.

In saying that, we should slosh 'em and we'll all be pizzed if we don't. But if we come in with a sorry attitude, they could throw snake eyes and next thing ya know we miss the playoffs.

Certainly not excited about playing them, but all those in red and white better be excited come gameday.
For chrissake, suck it up buttercups. Now this is a trap game? Not if we're a legit playoff team. Or a fair-to-midling Valley team.
:text-+1: This whole "watch out for St X argument" shows how low some fans expectations are as respects to ISU Redbird football. They are afraid to say that ISU should put a beat down on this team because it may not happen. I look forward to the day when ISU has earned the right for nearly all fans to expect ISU to go out and destroy an NAIA (or whatever they are) type team.

Re: WOAH!

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:03 pm
by Redbirdwarrior
If Alabama were playing Normal Community High School, you shouldn't expect an 80 point win. 80 points is a SHIT LOAD of points. My argument was not that SXU will give ISU a game, but that they are more than one-legged Civil War vets just standing between our guys and the endzone. They are similarly sized human beings with football training. By saying you expect an 80 spot going up, you are expecting ISU to roll off roughly 11 yards every single offensive snap of the game. If they were playing against literally 8 people on defense, that kind of per snap number would be unlikely, MUCH LESS expected.

More than that- SPORTSMANSHIP

Let's play the other side of the coin here. Let's say ISU goes into Colorado St (A jump up in class) and is down 6 TD (42 points) going into the second half and the coach and fans for CSU were urging the team to get back out there and throw up another 38 in the second half. You'd all be calling them unsportsmanlike and far worst things than that. You'd be calling for their coaches' head and our coach's head and the ADs head, scholarships to be revoked and all that. Don't act like you wouldn't. So why would you want to put another fan base and team through that? Have more class than that.

Re: WOAH!

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:44 am
by Adunk33
Redbirdwarrior wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:03 pm
If Alabama were playing Normal Community High School, you shouldn't expect an 80 point win. 80 points is a SHIT LOAD of points. My argument was not that SXU will give ISU a game, but that they are more than one-legged Civil War vets just standing between our guys and the endzone. They are similarly sized human beings with football training. By saying you expect an 80 spot going up, you are expecting ISU to roll off roughly 11 yards every single offensive snap of the game. If they were playing against literally 8 people on defense, that kind of per snap number would be unlikely, MUCH LESS expected.

More than that- SPORTSMANSHIP

Let's play the other side of the coin here. Let's say ISU goes into Colorado St (A jump up in class) and is down 6 TD (42 points) going into the second half and the coach and fans for CSU were urging the team to get back out there and throw up another 38 in the second half. You'd all be calling them unsportsmanlike and far worst things than that. You'd be calling for their coaches' head and our coach's head and the ADs head, scholarships to be revoked and all that. Don't act like you wouldn't. So why would you want to put another fan base and team through that? Have more class than that.
I feel like my first mention of 80 was clearly hyperbole. I guess it didn't come across that way. My bad. I also don't think we should run up the score against them, but look at the cupcake games from the past 5-6 years, I've posted the scores in two different threads. We're averaging nearly 60 points against lower FCS and non-Scholarship FCS, which one could argue is a higher level (better players) than NAIA school. In those same games we have given up less than an average of 10 points. A 60 point offensive output is reasonable to expect (see Morgan State 67-14, and Mississippi Valley State 62-0). I bet if you talked to either of these schools they wouldn't say we ran up the score. ISU is clearly a run-first team. Think back to Jordan Birch's hurdle over a Butler player last year on the way to the end zone. Should he have just ran out of bounds at the 1, instead of scoring the meaningless touchdown. Spack doesn't run up the score, but he is also not going to tell the team to take a dive at the one or whatever.

Our second and third teams should be able to score on their first team. They shouldn't score on us. Unfair expectations, but that is the program Spack has built. Build a winner, expect a winner. Do you think NDSU would expect anything less than a 60+ point win against a team like this? We gotta think elite to be elite.

Re: WOAH!

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:11 am
by StLRedbird
isuquinndog wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:31 am
StLRedbird wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:29 pm
Humdinger wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:12 pm



Yup. Plus, its a good football program.

In saying that, we should slosh 'em and we'll all be pizzed if we don't. But if we come in with a sorry attitude, they could throw snake eyes and next thing ya know we miss the playoffs.

Certainly not excited about playing them, but all those in red and white better be excited come gameday.
For chrissake, suck it up buttercups. Now this is a trap game? Not if we're a legit playoff team. Or a fair-to-midling Valley team.
http://kwese.espn.com/college-football/ ... =272422287
I'll call your Drake game and raise you a 2004 shellacking of St. Xavier.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/ga ... =242462287
44-14. The man in the red boots allowed St. Xavier a couple of face-saving 4th quarter scores. And some gentleman by the name of L. Robinson caught two touchdown passes.

Re: WOAH!

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:32 am
by Redbirdwarrior
Adunk33 wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:44 am
Redbirdwarrior wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:03 pm
If Alabama were playing Normal Community High School, you shouldn't expect an 80 point win. 80 points is a SHIT LOAD of points. My argument was not that SXU will give ISU a game, but that they are more than one-legged Civil War vets just standing between our guys and the endzone. They are similarly sized human beings with football training. By saying you expect an 80 spot going up, you are expecting ISU to roll off roughly 11 yards every single offensive snap of the game. If they were playing against literally 8 people on defense, that kind of per snap number would be unlikely, MUCH LESS expected.

More than that- SPORTSMANSHIP

Let's play the other side of the coin here. Let's say ISU goes into Colorado St (A jump up in class) and is down 6 TD (42 points) going into the second half and the coach and fans for CSU were urging the team to get back out there and throw up another 38 in the second half. You'd all be calling them unsportsmanlike and far worst things than that. You'd be calling for their coaches' head and our coach's head and the ADs head, scholarships to be revoked and all that. Don't act like you wouldn't. So why would you want to put another fan base and team through that? Have more class than that.
I feel like my first mention of 80 was clearly hyperbole. I guess it didn't come across that way. My bad. I also don't think we should run up the score against them, but look at the cupcake games from the past 5-6 years, I've posted the scores in two different threads. We're averaging nearly 60 points against lower FCS and non-Scholarship FCS, which one could argue is a higher level (better players) than NAIA school. In those same games we have given up less than an average of 10 points. A 60 point offensive output is reasonable to expect (see Morgan State 67-14, and Mississippi Valley State 62-0). I bet if you talked to either of these schools they wouldn't say we ran up the score. ISU is clearly a run-first team. Think back to Jordan Birch's hurdle over a Butler player last year on the way to the end zone. Should he have just ran out of bounds at the 1, instead of scoring the meaningless touchdown. Spack doesn't run up the score, but he is also not going to tell the team to take a dive at the one or whatever.

Our second and third teams should be able to score on their first team. They shouldn't score on us. Unfair expectations, but that is the program Spack has built. Build a winner, expect a winner. Do you think NDSU would expect anything less than a 60+ point win against a team like this? We gotta think elite to be elite.
This is fair. I'm not worried about what NDSU would do in this situation. I want our team and University to be about class first. I think ISU beats SXU 58 to 13 and I'm GREAT with that so long as everyone comes out healthy and ISU isn't throwing 20 yard passes in the 4th quarter.

You are absolutely right that our 3rd team should be able to trounce SXU, but because you can does not mean you should. I'd LOVE to see ISU get into half time with a 35-0 lead and then see the freshmen take over in the second half. I'd like to see exotic option packages or unique 2/3 RB sets at that point. But I'd hope that our players would have enough sense that if they were up 50 in the 4th quarter and they broke through for an 80 yard run with 2 min left, they would stop on the 5 and take a knee.

That is a classy move.

Again, ISU shouldn't lose this game. It shouldnt be close, but we can, in this game alone, set a tone to be a team others around the country at multiple levels respect for both on-field ability and class of operation. I'd hope we would take advantage of that opportunity.

Re: WOAH!

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:18 pm
by Virginia Redbird
Redbirdwarrior wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:32 am
Adunk33 wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:44 am
Redbirdwarrior wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:03 pm

But I'd hope that our players would have enough sense that if they were up 50 in the 4th quarter and they broke through for an 80 yard run with 2 min left, they would stop on the 5 and take a knee.

That is a classy move.

Just perspective I guess but I would not consider that a classy move. If I was the other team I would be highly insulted. I think there is a difference between being inside the 20 with a minute left, running a play from scrimmage and taking a knee instead of trying to punch it in and breaking away on an 80 yard run and stopping at the 5 and taking a knee. Stopping at the 5 is just kind of rubbing it in your face. Maybe just me.

Re: WOAH!

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:14 pm
by TIMMY
Virginia Redbird wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:18 pm

Just perspective I guess but I would not consider that a classy move. If I was the other team I would be highly insulted. I think there is a difference between being inside the 20 with a minute left, running a play from scrimmage and taking a knee instead of trying to punch it in and breaking away on an 80 yard run and stopping at the 5 and taking a knee. Stopping at the 5 is just kind of rubbing it in your face. Maybe just me.
That's not a classy move and if I was on the wrong end of it I'd have a big problem with that coach.

Re: WOAH!

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:12 pm
by ekeyfanclub
ChiRedbirdfan wrote:
StLRedbird wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:29 pm
Humdinger wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:12 pm

Yup. Plus, its a good football program.

In saying that, we should slosh 'em and we'll all be pizzed if we don't. But if we come in with a sorry attitude, they could throw snake eyes and next thing ya know we miss the playoffs.

Certainly not excited about playing them, but all those in red and white better be excited come gameday.
For chrissake, suck it up buttercups. Now this is a trap game? Not if we're a legit playoff team. Or a fair-to-midling Valley team.
:text-+1: This whole "watch out for St X argument" shows how low some fans expectations are as respects to ISU Redbird football. They are afraid to say that ISU should put a beat down on this team because it may not happen. I look forward to the day when ISU has earned the right for nearly all fans to expect ISU to go out and destroy an NAIA (or whatever they are) type team.
No one here actually thinks the game will be close, but there is nothing wrong with the attitude not to take a team for granted. This game will not and should not be close.

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Re: WOAH!

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:58 pm
by ChiRedbirdfan
ekeyfanclub wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:12 pm
ChiRedbirdfan wrote:
StLRedbird wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:29 pm

For chrissake, suck it up buttercups. Now this is a trap game? Not if we're a legit playoff team. Or a fair-to-midling Valley team.
:text-+1: This whole "watch out for St X argument" shows how low some fans expectations are as respects to ISU Redbird football. They are afraid to say that ISU should put a beat down on this team because it may not happen. I look forward to the day when ISU has earned the right for nearly all fans to expect ISU to go out and destroy an NAIA (or whatever they are) type team.
No one here actually thinks the game will be close, but there is nothing wrong with the attitude not to take a team for granted. This game will not and should not be close.

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Eureka and thanks for the obvious...any team can win any game otherwise the game would never be played. But expected outcomes going into the game in lopsided/unfair matchups (Ie ISU vs St Xavier) are equally valid regardless of the outcome.

Re: WOAH!

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:39 am
by ekeyfanclub
ChiRedbirdfan wrote:
ekeyfanclub wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:12 pm
ChiRedbirdfan wrote: :text-+1: This whole "watch out for St X argument" shows how low some fans expectations are as respects to ISU Redbird football. They are afraid to say that ISU should put a beat down on this team because it may not happen. I look forward to the day when ISU has earned the right for nearly all fans to expect ISU to go out and destroy an NAIA (or whatever they are) type team.
No one here actually thinks the game will be close, but there is nothing wrong with the attitude not to take a team for granted. This game will not and should not be close.

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Eureka and thanks for the obvious...any team can win any game otherwise the game would never be played. But expected outcomes going into the game in lopsided/unfair matchups (Ie ISU vs St Xavier) are equally valid regardless of the outcome.
You were the one claiming that fans were worried about this game and that shows the "low expectations" they have of ISU football. I pointed out the obvious because it apparently didn't seem obvious to you.

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Re: WOAH!

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:48 am
by rdt99
NEVER take an opponent lightly. I was at the Drake game. Unbelievable!

Re: WOAH!

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:00 am
by Sanantoniobird
Redbirdwarrior wrote:
Also, 80 points? Are these guys on SXU stepping onto a football field for the first time ever? Fun fact: my high school had 2 all state players my sr. year. Both were offered scholarships to NIU and WMU. Both ended up playing D2 and tearing it up. These guys on the other sideline are smaller and there are less of them, but they are legit football players. Most were at least 2nd team all conference in HS if not 1st team. ISU should win easily on athletism alone, but 80 points? Have you EVER seen 80 points put up by anyone ever? No, for several good reasons.
Well, almost, I believe NDSU dropped 72 on Mississippi Valley last year.

Re: WOAH!

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:42 am
by Reggie Redbird
Redbirdwarrior wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:32 am
Adunk33 wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:44 am
Redbirdwarrior wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:03 pm
If Alabama were playing Normal Community High School, you shouldn't expect an 80 point win. 80 points is a SHIT LOAD of points. My argument was not that SXU will give ISU a game, but that they are more than one-legged Civil War vets just standing between our guys and the endzone. They are similarly sized human beings with football training. By saying you expect an 80 spot going up, you are expecting ISU to roll off roughly 11 yards every single offensive snap of the game. If they were playing against literally 8 people on defense, that kind of per snap number would be unlikely, MUCH LESS expected.

More than that- SPORTSMANSHIP

Let's play the other side of the coin here. Let's say ISU goes into Colorado St (A jump up in class) and is down 6 TD (42 points) going into the second half and the coach and fans for CSU were urging the team to get back out there and throw up another 38 in the second half. You'd all be calling them unsportsmanlike and far worst things than that. You'd be calling for their coaches' head and our coach's head and the ADs head, scholarships to be revoked and all that. Don't act like you wouldn't. So why would you want to put another fan base and team through that? Have more class than that.
I feel like my first mention of 80 was clearly hyperbole. I guess it didn't come across that way. My bad. I also don't think we should run up the score against them, but look at the cupcake games from the past 5-6 years, I've posted the scores in two different threads. We're averaging nearly 60 points against lower FCS and non-Scholarship FCS, which one could argue is a higher level (better players) than NAIA school. In those same games we have given up less than an average of 10 points. A 60 point offensive output is reasonable to expect (see Morgan State 67-14, and Mississippi Valley State 62-0). I bet if you talked to either of these schools they wouldn't say we ran up the score. ISU is clearly a run-first team. Think back to Jordan Birch's hurdle over a Butler player last year on the way to the end zone. Should he have just ran out of bounds at the 1, instead of scoring the meaningless touchdown. Spack doesn't run up the score, but he is also not going to tell the team to take a dive at the one or whatever.

Our second and third teams should be able to score on their first team. They shouldn't score on us. Unfair expectations, but that is the program Spack has built. Build a winner, expect a winner. Do you think NDSU would expect anything less than a 60+ point win against a team like this? We gotta think elite to be elite.
This is fair. I'm not worried about what NDSU would do in this situation. I want our team and University to be about class first. I think ISU beats SXU 58 to 13 and I'm GREAT with that so long as everyone comes out healthy and ISU isn't throwing 20 yard passes in the 4th quarter.

You are absolutely right that our 3rd team should be able to trounce SXU, but because you can does not mean you should. I'd LOVE to see ISU get into half time with a 35-0 lead and then see the freshmen take over in the second half. I'd like to see exotic option packages or unique 2/3 RB sets at that point. But I'd hope that our players would have enough sense that if they were up 50 in the 4th quarter and they broke through for an 80 yard run with 2 min left, they would stop on the 5 and take a knee.

That is a classy move.

Again, ISU shouldn't lose this game. It shouldnt be close, but we can, in this game alone, set a tone to be a team others around the country at multiple levels respect for both on-field ability and class of operation. I'd hope we would take advantage of that opportunity.
If we were going by your play calling or exotic packages, etc., we would likely be running up the score. I would bet you are sorely mistaken we would break off a long run and then take a knee at the 5. Why not just do 2-yard FB plunges or punt immediately on 1st down.

We are not paying SXU to throw this game and certainly expect them to give their best effort. However, taking the check, they have to expect it could be a run-up score if we're on fire. I'm not saying go for it on 4th down in our territory in th 4th quarter of throwing long bombs on 1st down, but we have a lot of QBs who need to see action besides taking knees or handing off for plunges.