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fourthandshort
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Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:25 pm

Current Roster lists 6 WRs ... 2 SR, 1 JR, 2 SO, 1 RS FR:

2 Patterson, Kentre 6-1 195 WR So. East Lansing, Mich. / East Lansing
11 Schnell, Spencer5-9 180 WR Sr. Elkhart, Ind. / Elkhart
13 Haley, Braxton 6-1 190 WR Jr. Athens, Ga. / Monsignor Donovan Catholic HS
18 Hadden, Jr., Antonio 6-2 210 WR So. Fort Pierce, Fla. / Fort Pierce Central
83 Biegalski, Matt 6-2 215 WR Sr. Winfield, Ill. / Wheaton North
84 Edgar, Andrew 6-0 180 WR R-Fr. Chicago, Ill. / St. Patrick

FBS/Juco Transfers include 2 .. I think Haley was here for spring ball, 1 JR, 1 SR

Braxton Haley 6'1 185 WR Jr. Monsignor Donovan HS, Athens, GA (Dodge City JC, KS) .. on roster above, so counted twice
Jordan Fuchs 6'6 230 WR Sr. Christ the King HS, Queens, NY (Indiana Univ, IU-East)

HS recruits coming in August include 7 listed at WR:

Tristan Bailey 6'3 185 WR Columbus North HS, IN
Austin Nagel 6'1 170 WR Lemont HS, IL
Stephen Halusan 6'3 205 WR New Berlin Eisenhower, WI
Charles Woods 6'1 170 WR/DB Kimball HS, Dallas, TX
Eric Rogers 6'3 190 WR East St. Louis HS, IL
EJ Smoot 6'1 180 WR Beggs HS, OK
Taylor Grimes 5'11 170 WR Godley HS, TX

That makes 14 WRs .. half true FR, half upper classmen.

Pick your 2 (or 3) deep, assuming 3 WR sets ( X and Z wideouts, and a slot receiver), plus TE

1st team: Haley, Hadden, Schnell, Petkovich
2nd team: Patterson, Fuchs, Edgar, Gillum
3rd team: Biegalski and 2 true FR TBD, TE Taula

I think we will have enough to keep defenses honest, enough , especially with OC Beathard in charge .. but you can bet defenses will be stacking the box against us until we prove we can execute pass game ... balanced play calling, running routes, QBa and WRs both making right reads, then passing and catching, and good ole YAC. I like our chances this fall.
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Chi-bird
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Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:16 pm

Obviously I don't know nearly as much as the staff about the players, but I can't help but think that Jordan Birch needs to be given a shot as a receiving target. Otherwise, I'm wondering if linebacker is an option. I'm not sure of his mentality as a player, but I don't see him getting the snaps at running back.

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Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:35 pm

After the track season Kentre had... I expect a breakout football season for the kid too. You can't teach fast.

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Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:13 am

Sounds like you see this group as at least capable. We do need them to be that or more

fourthandshort
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StLRedbird wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:13 am
Sounds like you see this group as at least capable. We do need them to be that or more
just trying to be realistic and temper my expectations. But I think they just need to be decent given our run game should keep defenses in the box. I mean I doubt teams will be game planning to shut our WRs down .. focus will be all on Robinson, Smith, & Birch; plus i have confidence OC Beathard will know how to gameplan each week and make the necessary in game adjustments. So our pass game could surprise us .. Kolbe might find his confidence again under OC Beathard .. all of this could translate to WRs doing just enough to keep defenses more honest.
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StLRedbird
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Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:33 am

Does this group have the speed to make a secondary respect a deep threat?

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Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:31 pm

StLRedbird wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:33 am
Does this group have the speed to make a secondary respect a deep threat?
Patterson might have the most speed but at the scrimmage Saturday he dropped a pass from Kolbe that him in the hands on a crossing route.

Schnell will be a threat short and long. He can also catch it short and run long. After him it gets dicey.
Going back to the spring I think Haley has shown as much consistency as anyone so he might start at one WR. After that I like Biegalski. He has good hands and he can block. He's 220 so it's almost like having another TE and we want to run the ball. Edgar can play WR but they may want him to take over the slot next year. Patterson should also play. Then I think we're looking at freshmen. Grimes and Nagel might play more than 4 games and give up their redshirts.

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Total Red wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:31 pm
StLRedbird wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:33 am
Does this group have the speed to make a secondary respect a deep threat?
Patterson might have the most speed but at the scrimmage Saturday he dropped a pass from Kolbe that him in the hands on a crossing route.

Schnell will be a threat short and long. He can also catch it short and run long. After him it gets dicey.
Going back to the spring I think Haley has shown as much consistency as anyone so he might start at one WR. After that I like Biegalski. He has good hands and he can block. He's 220 so it's almost like having another TE and we want to run the ball. Edgar can play WR but they may want him to take over the slot next year. Patterson should also play. Then I think we're looking at freshmen. Grimes and Nagel might play more than 4 games and give up their redshirts.
Wasn't Patterson an ALL-AMERICAN sprinter in the spring?

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My worry with this group is no one after Schnell is battle tested.
Which brings me to the smartest thing Mike Tyson ever said
... everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face . Even if we have some young talent at WR, how will they respond to adversity and season long grind and beating playing in MVFC. Hope a couple step up .. was hoping Hadden was the up and come this year .. not so.

But need a deep threat, even if just average receiver skills. Then need to use Petkovic and TEs .. been way too quiet on that front this summer.

They dont need to be world beaters just solid enough to keep defenses a little honest.
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Total Red wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:31 pm
Patterson might have the most speed but at the scrimmage Saturday he dropped a pass from Kolbe that him in the hands on a crossing route.
Even if he doesn't have the best hands, they're going to have to cover him. If nothing else he can draw some attention.

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Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:29 pm

With proven depth lacking at WR it makes me wonder if we may see more 2 TE schemes. My apologies if someone already said that.

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Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:39 am

Someone will step up. No clue who, but I’m hoping that we air it out early vs St. X- even if we can run on them all day. We ain’t going places without a good passing attach.

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Chi-bird wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:39 am
Someone will step up. No clue who, but I’m hoping that we air it out early vs St. X- even if we can run on them all day. We ain’t going places without a good passing attach.
My bet goes to Braxton Haley

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Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:16 pm

Andrew Edgar, Braxton Haley and Spencer Schnell - the starting receivers.

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Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:31 am

Interesting .. went small, so probably went with best route runners and hands. Already willing to burn one WR redshirt. My main concern is Edgar is smaller than Schnell .. but I'm presuming they picked these guys because they are the most proficient and technically sound. If we're considering burning another WR redshirt, I wouldn't mind seeing some of the East St Louis kid later in season .. he's 6'4" .. looks the part, but guessing he is raw or he would have been recruited harder because he had decent numbers in HS.
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Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:02 am

I agree with fourth. They didn't pick the biggest or fastest WR's and maybe not the best blockers but Haley and Edgar should be able to run good routes and they're making most of the catches. I think we'll see various position groups utilized with variable numbers of receivers, TE's and sometimes a FB and other times not. Might even see Kielbasa in an upback or H-back role (hope so). I think we'll see 3 receivers on the field quite a bit. That doesn't necessarily mean that we will throw a lot. As Isubu reminds us the defense has to follow each receiver so Beathard can spread the field and create running lanes for Smith/Robinson. Or Davis can throw. Or Davis can keep it and run. Offense Happens

minor note Edgar is listed at 6'0 190, Schnell 5'9 180

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Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:30 pm

Hmmm .. good catch on Edgar. His hudl profile had him at 167 lbs . Just looked at my original post with roster stats .. they had him at just 180 when he first showed up this summer .. makes me wonder if he his physically a late bloomer.
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