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Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:49 am

I am looking forward to watching Devonte Harris and Dalton Keene today in the Shrine Bowl. I looked up the rosters and Devonte is on the West squad and Dalton is on the East. Kind of strange being from the same school and different teams but maybe they just mix them up. I generally don't watch All-Star games but I will be tuning in today. Best of luck to both Redbirds!
There are a few other players from the MVC so it should be interesting to watch. 3:00 pm Eastern Time on the NFL Network for those of you interested in tuning in.
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:25 am

good luck to Dalton and Davontae .. read some of the practice reports, they like Davontae though did say he does not have top end speed for man cover .. which we saw at times at ISU. But they still like him. Didn't see anything on Dalton other than he is listed as DE.

Guy to watch from MVFC .. UNI WR Daurice Fountain ... who, you say ??? Well even though I barely remember his name .. he is tearing it up in these all star game practices .. and his draft stock is climbing fast.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story ... 044160001/
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:05 pm

No one's posting, anyone watching? Have watched half of it maybe, on and off, maybe a little more.

Sorry to say, my honest opinion is Keene looks a little overmatched. He's played a lot, and early, but has been on the ground a few times and haven't seen him make a tackle. Seems to be getting blocked by "huge guys".

Harris just gave up a catch, but a great pass and grab, so not really a bad play IMHO. He hasn't had to defend a long pass that I've seen (so had to decide whether to "look back" or not!).

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Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:29 pm

I have watched and felt pretty much the same about Keene. He was blocked out of the plays fairly routinely. He got quite a bit of playing time but was not really a factor. Same feeling about Harris. They did not go his way very much. The completion was a good offensive play.
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Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:34 pm

And just after I posted mine, Keene recovered a fumble, and the commentators gave him some props as a "lunch pail guy" who just makes plays. So what the hey do I know!!?? Sounded like he at least impressed the people that matter!

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Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:59 pm

MadBird wrote:
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the commentators gave him some props as a "lunch pail guy" who just makes plays.
I did an academic study in school on this terminology by broadcasters. I found it was used predominantly for white players when they needed something positive to say. Whereas players of a different race will be propped up by their "athletic" traits. Now that I've pointed it out, if you hadn't noticed it, you will now. Hahah.

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Adunk33 wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:59 pm
MadBird wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:34 pm
the commentators gave him some props as a "lunch pail guy" who just makes plays.
I did an academic study in school on this terminology by broadcasters. I found it was used predominantly for white players when they needed something positive to say. Whereas players of a different race will be propped up by their "athletic" traits. Now that I've pointed it out, if you hadn't noticed it, you will now. Hahah.
a. I should have majored in what you majored in!
b. doesn't surprise me that "handle" describes a certain stereotype. Like saying certain guys are "athletic"!

Altho, I agree, Keene is a lunch pail kind of guy!! :lol:

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Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:57 am

I saw the fumble recovery as well. Harris badly missed a tackle on the UNI receiver. Not certain this game helped either players value in the upcoming draft. Free Agents? We will see in April.
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:33 am

MadBird wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:05 pm
Adunk33 wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:59 pm
MadBird wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:34 pm
the commentators gave him some props as a "lunch pail guy" who just makes plays.
I did an academic study in school on this terminology by broadcasters. I found it was used predominantly for white players when they needed something positive to say. Whereas players of a different race will be propped up by their "athletic" traits. Now that I've pointed it out, if you hadn't noticed it, you will now. Hahah.
a. I should have majored in what you majored in!
b. doesn't surprise me that "handle" describes a certain stereotype. Like saying certain guys are "athletic"!

Altho, I agree, Keene is a lunch pail kind of guy!! :lol:
Trust me.... you shouldn't have. :lol:

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Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:36 am

Keene is an athletic guy, he just isn't an agile guy. Playing DT for 5 years will not do much for your athleticism like DE would have - not to mention how much work he put into getting his weight up to 275 lbs. Dude just moved to DE for this all star game .. he needs a speed and agility trainer to retrain his lower body for pro days .. maybe be even get his weight down to 265 lbs.

But Keene is an athlete ... right now, just maybe more of a "lunch pail athlete" .

p.s. trademark already pending on that term :P
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Adunk33 wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:59 pm
MadBird wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:34 pm
the commentators gave him some props as a "lunch pail guy" who just makes plays.
I did an academic study in school on this terminology by broadcasters. I found it was used predominantly for white players when they needed something positive to say. Whereas players of a different race will be propped up by their "athletic" traits. Now that I've pointed it out, if you hadn't noticed it, you will now. Hahah.
ok, how about this one .. Tommie Harris, nose tackle for Chicago Bears ... lunch pail guy or athlete ?

In my opinion one of the best DT Bears ever had .. when he was healthy ... undoubtedly a lunch pail guy. Now whether a fair skinned commentator ever thought to call him a lunch pail player .. that is the real question, I suppose.
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fourthandshort wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:46 am
Adunk33 wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:59 pm
MadBird wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:34 pm
the commentators gave him some props as a "lunch pail guy" who just makes plays.
I did an academic study in school on this terminology by broadcasters. I found it was used predominantly for white players when they needed something positive to say. Whereas players of a different race will be propped up by their "athletic" traits. Now that I've pointed it out, if you hadn't noticed it, you will now. Hahah.
ok, how about this one .. Tommie Harris, nose tackle for Chicago Bears ... lunch pail guy or athlete ?

In my opinion one of the best DT Bears ever had .. when he was healthy ... undoubtedly a lunch pail guy. Now whether a fair skinned commentator ever thought to call him a lunch pail player .. that is the real question, I suppose.
Dennis Rodman: Athlete or Lunch Pail?

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Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:41 pm

I just watched the whole game. Keene played inside all game. He is too small to play DT in the NFL IMO.

I thought he was going to get a chance to stand up.

Davonte struggled with Fountain from UNI. Missed a tackle badly.

Both played a lot though.

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DannyCooksey wrote:
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I just watched the whole game. Keene played inside all game. He is too small to play DT in the NFL IMO.

I thought he was going to get a chance to stand up.

Davonte struggled with Fountain from UNI. Missed a tackle badly.

Both played a lot though.
confused about Keene .. thought he made move to DE to get ready for draft. maybe not or maybe the were short on DTs.
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dpdoughbird06 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:10 pm
fourthandshort wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:46 am
Adunk33 wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:59 pm


I did an academic study in school on this terminology by broadcasters. I found it was used predominantly for white players when they needed something positive to say. Whereas players of a different race will be propped up by their "athletic" traits. Now that I've pointed it out, if you hadn't noticed it, you will now. Hahah.
ok, how about this one .. Tommie Harris, nose tackle for Chicago Bears ... lunch pail guy or athlete ?

In my opinion one of the best DT Bears ever had .. when he was healthy ... undoubtedly a lunch pail guy. Now whether a fair skinned commentator ever thought to call him a lunch pail player .. that is the real question, I suppose.
Dennis Rodman: Athlete or Lunch Pail?
body of an athlete ... brains of an empty lunch pail ... so both.

dude turned himself into a freak athlete over the years .. he used to be fairly skinny, before he really filled out with Bulls.
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Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:46 pm

fourthandshort wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:46 am
Adunk33 wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:59 pm
MadBird wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:34 pm
the commentators gave him some props as a "lunch pail guy" who just makes plays.
I did an academic study in school on this terminology by broadcasters. I found it was used predominantly for white players when they needed something positive to say. Whereas players of a different race will be propped up by their "athletic" traits. Now that I've pointed it out, if you hadn't noticed it, you will now. Hahah.
ok, how about this one .. Tommie Harris, nose tackle for Chicago Bears ... lunch pail guy or athlete ?

In my opinion one of the best DT Bears ever had .. when he was healthy ... undoubtedly a lunch pail guy. Now whether a fair skinned commentator ever thought to call him a lunch pail player .. that is the real question, I suppose.
Tommie Harris was a 3 tech. Probably the quickest 3 tech I've ever seen with the exception of maybe Warren Sapp. I would call him a great athlete. Until the hamstring did him in way too early .

Rodman could jump twice before an opponent could jump once. Athlete.

Now Singletary was a lunch pail guy. IMO
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i think the problem we're having is definitional on lunch pail .. I see lunch pail as a frame of mind. someone who likes it in the mud, in the trenches, or anyone position player who likes to do the dirty unglamorous work. That is why I put Tommie Harris in lunch pail category. That doesn't mean they aren't athletic .. they may or may not be. in fact, they might be lunch pail because they lack athletic skills.
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fourthandshort wrote:
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i think the problem we're having is definitional on lunch pail .. I see lunch pail as a frame of mind. someone who likes it in the mud, in the trenches, or anyone position player who likes to do the dirty unglamorous work. That is why I put Tommie Harris in lunch pail category. That doesn't mean they aren't athletic .. they may or may not be. in fact, they might be lunch pail because they lack athletic skills.
Amazing conversation started her. I thought it went without saying but there are exceptions to the "gritty guy" being one race and an "athlete" being another. The findings were general and studied through 15 years of the NFL Draft, specifically the quarterback position.

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