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Flagship08
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Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:36 pm

As a Freshman looking to contribute right away he's also missing valuable scrimmage time this summer.

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ILSTUGRAD11 wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:05 pm
Adunk33 wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:56 am
Brought over from the Duhon Thread....
redbirdron1 wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:04 am
Regarding AN. I believe what could happen is the young man comes to school on scholarship but is not
eligible until next year. Just reading between the lines, rumor and Muller's comments. I'll bet it's a longshot
at him being eligible this fall. Now if he doesn't qualify for a scholly - then what, u put him in a Prep School and probably
lose him as the Big Boys will be all over that. Loyalty has an expiration date.

The good news on that front would be that Bruninga should get a lot of minutes at the wing 4. He needs all
the minutes he can get this year and bring the shooting.

No matter - it's all Good. Muller doing a great job at getting kids to central Illinois.

Muller is expressing confidence in this player being enrolled and on campus in a way he never did with Mikyle and Deontae when they were being vetted by the NCAA. There are parallels between Abdou's situation and Mikyle's in that they both attended a few prep schools, one of which was highly questioned by the NCAA. In Mikyle's situation it was the Christian Faith Academy or something like that. For Abdou, it's this "The Masters School in Westchester, N.Y." Keep in mind, being enrolled and on scholarship does not mean eligible.

Worst case scenario, Abdou is a NQ, which leads to a RS first season where as long as he takes care of business in the classroom, he can earn the year back, which McIntosh and Hawkins used to transfer. I think a RS year would be helpful for him. He is less of a project than David but still has a lot of raw talent that could be developed within the first season. Plus, there will be a lot more minutes available in 19-20 than in 18-19.
I think The Masters School in Westchester is a completely credible school. They have a $50M endowment and have been open since 1877. Check out the list of alumni which includes the head of the NBPA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masters_School

The issue is with whatever school he attended between The Master School and The Nation that shut down. I hope that The Nation is not also in question as we have a couple more promising scholarship offers out there to his former teammates.
Thank you. I didn't remember which school caused him to transfer to The Nation mid-season. Thanks for the correction. I also believe The Nation is still relatively new to the prep school game. Could be something important to track.

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Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:22 pm

Not only do we have two scholarship offers out to other players from The Nation, The Nation has added two new pieces. One of them a 7 foot kid and the other a 6'7 kid. I believe both are African. I'm sure Dan is well aware of them too.

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ILSTUGRAD11 wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:05 pm
Adunk33 wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:56 am
Brought over from the Duhon Thread....
redbirdron1 wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:04 am
Regarding AN. I believe what could happen is the young man comes to school on scholarship but is not
eligible until next year. Just reading between the lines, rumor and Muller's comments. I'll bet it's a longshot
at him being eligible this fall. Now if he doesn't qualify for a scholly - then what, u put him in a Prep School and probably
lose him as the Big Boys will be all over that. Loyalty has an expiration date.

The good news on that front would be that Bruninga should get a lot of minutes at the wing 4. He needs all
the minutes he can get this year and bring the shooting.

No matter - it's all Good. Muller doing a great job at getting kids to central Illinois.

Muller is expressing confidence in this player being enrolled and on campus in a way he never did with Mikyle and Deontae when they were being vetted by the NCAA. There are parallels between Abdou's situation and Mikyle's in that they both attended a few prep schools, one of which was highly questioned by the NCAA. In Mikyle's situation it was the Christian Faith Academy or something like that. For Abdou, it's this "The Masters School in Westchester, N.Y." Keep in mind, being enrolled and on scholarship does not mean eligible.

Worst case scenario, Abdou is a NQ, which leads to a RS first season where as long as he takes care of business in the classroom, he can earn the year back, which McIntosh and Hawkins used to transfer. I think a RS year would be helpful for him. He is less of a project than David but still has a lot of raw talent that could be developed within the first season. Plus, there will be a lot more minutes available in 19-20 than in 18-19.
I think The Masters School in Westchester is a completely credible school. They have a $50M endowment and have been open since 1877. Check out the list of alumni which includes the head of the NBPA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masters_School

The issue is with whatever school he attended between The Master School and The Nation that shut down. I hope that The Nation is not also in question as we have a couple more promising scholarship offers out there to his former teammates.
You beat me to the comment on Masters School. My ex-wife went to Masters School. It's top notch. Her classmate was Henry Kissinger's daughter. Used to be girls only.

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Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:01 am

There was something mightily wrong with the CGM Prep Academy. Kid was only there a semester so they couldn't have screwed him too badly. The only reason I can think of for not being in Normal is he's taking the one class the NCAA allows after graduation.
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These "athlete-first" high schools have GOT to go, man. I know we get lots of our players from them, but it always ends up that SOMETHING is shady with them.

That said, I had no intention of Abdou being a main guy this year. I think he is probably our centerpiece moving forward into 2019/20 and beyond. He and Rey might be able to control the Valley if HCDM can go find a couple 3 star guards to match up with them. So if he needs to sit this year (and can do so without losing a year or eligibility), I'm all for it. I think he's just be taking time from Bruninga and I personally think that kid is quietly going to be a 12 point, 7 rebound guy this year.

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Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:20 pm

Redbirdwarrior wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:04 pm
These "athlete-first" high schools have GOT to go, man. I know we get lots of our players from them, but it always ends up that SOMETHING is shady with them.

That said, I had no intention of Abdou being a main guy this year. I think he is probably our centerpiece moving forward into 2019/20 and beyond. He and Rey might be able to control the Valley if HCDM can go find a couple 3 star guards to match up with them. So if he needs to sit this year (and can do so without losing a year or eligibility), I'm all for it. I think he's just be taking time from Bruninga and I personally think that kid is quietly going to be a 12 point, 7 rebound guy this year.
Dedric Boyd is really good. We will have another year of Copeland and Clarance. Of course, I will always welcome more talent!

I like Taylor A LOT. I think he and Chastain will surprise a lot of people. My brother-in-law from LeRoy keeps asking me if Chastain is going to get PT because 10+ families he knows from LeRoy want to buy season tickets.

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Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:44 pm

Honestly, I completely forgot about Boyd.

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Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:39 pm

On campus and enrolled does not mean eligible to play. Sounds like carefully selected words. My expectations from that would be that he will be a student this year and then a basketball player next year. Just reading between the lines.

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Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:43 pm

Adunk33 wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:20 pm
Redbirdwarrior wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:04 pm
These "athlete-first" high schools have GOT to go, man. I know we get lots of our players from them, but it always ends up that SOMETHING is shady with them.

That said, I had no intention of Abdou being a main guy this year. I think he is probably our centerpiece moving forward into 2019/20 and beyond. He and Rey might be able to control the Valley if HCDM can go find a couple 3 star guards to match up with them. So if he needs to sit this year (and can do so without losing a year or eligibility), I'm all for it. I think he's just be taking time from Bruninga and I personally think that kid is quietly going to be a 12 point, 7 rebound guy this year.
Dedric Boyd is really good. We will have another year of Copeland and Clarance. Of course, I will always welcome more talent!

I like Taylor A LOT. I think he and Chastain will surprise a lot of people. My brother-in-law from LeRoy keeps asking me if Chastain is going to get PT because 10+ families he knows from LeRoy want to buy season tickets.
...and Jefferson.
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Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:48 pm

Has there been a sighting on campus yet?

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Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:11 pm

cubird wrote:
Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:48 pm
Has there been a sighting on campus yet?
Per my reliable source, he should be on the campus within the next few days

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Redbirdwarrior wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:04 pm
These "athlete-first" high schools have GOT to go, man. I know we get lots of our players from them, but it always ends up that SOMETHING is shady with them.
That statement is comical....the shady stuff with most of the players at these "athlete-first" schools started way before they ended up there. Certainly there are some shenanigans but often those schools are trying to academically rehabilitate damaged (behind academically/behavior problems/tough to coach...etc) goods.

ISU has to target these players that have talent but have challenges too as the talented combined with no problem players are going to the major basketball conferences. ISU needs to figure how to get out of the MVC if you want them to compete nationally recruiting while only selecting low risk players Otherwise it is not happening for ISU. Example...look at the current ISU roster....Milik/Copeland/etc.

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ChiRedbirdfan wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:36 pm
Redbirdwarrior wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:04 pm
These "athlete-first" high schools have GOT to go, man. I know we get lots of our players from them, but it always ends up that SOMETHING is shady with them.
That statement is comical....the shady stuff with most of the players at these "athlete-first" schools started way before they ended up there. Certainly there are some shenanigans but often those schools are trying to academically rehabilitate damaged (behind academically/behavior problems/tough to coach...etc) goods.

ISU has to target these players that have talent but have challenges too as the talented combined with no problem players are going to the major basketball conferences. ISU needs to figure how to get out of the MVC if you want them to compete nationally recruiting while only selecting low risk players Otherwise it is not happening for ISU. Example...look at the current ISU roster....Milik/Copeland/etc.
Check out the movie Amateur on Netflix. It covers recruitment and these type of schools pretty well. It's not a documentary but I feel it accurately covers at least 70% of these athlete-first schools.

https://torontosun.com/2012/03/04/russe ... 08434e58be
This is the "prep" school that Mikyle and Kaza went to. There was a documentary on it, but it has been removed from its original source.

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Adunk33 wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:25 am
ChiRedbirdfan wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:36 pm
Redbirdwarrior wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:04 pm
These "athlete-first" high schools have GOT to go, man. I know we get lots of our players from them, but it always ends up that SOMETHING is shady with them.
That statement is comical....the shady stuff with most of the players at these "athlete-first" schools started way before they ended up there. Certainly there are some shenanigans but often those schools are trying to academically rehabilitate damaged (behind academically/behavior problems/tough to coach...etc) goods.

ISU has to target these players that have talent but have challenges too as the talented combined with no problem players are going to the major basketball conferences. ISU needs to figure how to get out of the MVC if you want them to compete nationally recruiting while only selecting low risk players Otherwise it is not happening for ISU. Example...look at the current ISU roster....Milik/Copeland/etc.
Check out the movie Amateur on Netflix. It covers recruitment and these type of schools pretty well. It's not a documentary but I feel it accurately covers at least 70% of these athlete-first schools.

https://torontosun.com/2012/03/04/russe ... 08434e58be
This is the "prep" school that Mikyle and Kaza went to. There was a documentary on it, but it has been removed from its original source.
Amateur is a GREAT movie. I bet more kids start to go overseas, as well. Or play in the G-League.

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Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:53 am

V Boy wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:39 pm
On campus and enrolled does not mean eligible to play. Sounds like carefully selected words. My expectations from that would be that he will be a student this year and then a basketball player next year. Just reading between the lines.
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:12 pm

Well, the kid and Rey just walked into the ice cream shop in uptown. Im here for work and stumbled across them. Two 7 footers decked out in ISU basketball gear are hard to miss. The kid is not as thin as youd think. Mighty long.

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Redbirdwarrior wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:12 pm
Well, the kid and Rey just walked into the ice cream shop in uptown. Im here for work and stumbled across them. Two 7 footers decked out in ISU basketball gear are hard to miss. The kid is not as thin as youd think. Mighty long.
Good to know. It will be nice having Abdou here and ready to play this season. Gonna be a special season I think.

redbirdron1
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:33 am

The sighting on campus is Great News!!!

Next step - get him eligible for THIS season but I suppose that we may not hear about that
for awhile. Benson shared with me the NCAA Clearinghouse can take all summer to give their updates but
at least Dan's got him in Normal so we're on track.

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TIMMY
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:00 am

He's either eligible right now or he's not. And yes it takes a long time for the clearinghouse IF there's a question as to the validity of any of his 16 core courses. This is a complicated process and high schools have a complicated task in getting their core courses approved. To illustrate this check out the NCAA portal for high schools. As a retired AD this was a part of my responsibility. Some of you may find it interesting.

https://web3.ncaa.org/hsportal/exec/lin ... ctiveLinks

This is where a new or shady school can get hung up.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_cen ... ourses.pdf
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