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Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:19 pm

Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:01 pm
Then I vote every single poster who name called me joins me. Otherwise not fair. He may not like me but he has to be fair.

Sure I'll volunteer to go. Don't believe I called you a name, but I'll take one for the team.

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Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:40 pm

SoCalRedbird wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:58 pm
They also don't slip by an RPI 348 team because a call was blown in their favor.
So a single call allowed us to win? That’s a bit dramatic.

What about the missed travel on Chicago state in the first 5 minutes of the game? That was a blown call too.

Case in point, refs miss calls throughout the game for both teams. Happens in EVERY game.

29 free throws attempted for CSU to our 19. And Fayne had 3 fouls in the first half.

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Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:43 pm

Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:01 pm
Then I vote every single poster who name called me joins me. Otherwise not fair. He may not like me but he has to be fair.
What, in your mind, is fair about the internet? Quinn pays the bills Quinn decides the rules, not you or me
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Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:01 pm
Then I vote every single poster who name called me joins me. Otherwise not fair. He may not like me but he has to be fair.
#1. You of all people get NO vote on anything
#2. Life’s not fair.
#3. Your not here to make friends so why would you expect things to friendly?
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:54 pm

SO Cal....You maybe missed my point. The evidence I was referring to is all of last season plus 3 games this year. That was I was trying to say with my comment "mostly the same cast of characters." Our Birds just have not been very good over an extended period of time. I will keep watching every game and hope to attend a few of them and will root for them to win. This is just a comment on a message board to spark some debate and maybe another line of thinking.
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:37 pm

Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:01 pm
Then I vote every single poster who name called me joins me. Otherwise not fair. He may not like me but he has to be fair.
I think it's fair to say you make almost everyone sick on this board :puke-front: :puke-huge: :obscene-birdiedoublegreen:

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Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:50 pm

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Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:16 am
Fayne - best player. Get him the rock more. There should never be a game where he has under 7 rebounds. He needs to be more assertive especially against the teams we are about to face.

Yarbrough - he and Fayne should run more high-lows and he should play on block more (triple threat. Score. Pass to Fayne. Kick out for a 3). He HAS to rebound and defend every night or we lose.

Evans - needs to play off the ball more. Not quick enough to get separation at the point. Defensively he should not be guarding other teams top dog.

Copeland - should be running the point. Has the quickness. Size. Playmaking ability. Need better shot selection. It will come. Defensively he needs to guard the top guard. Asking a lot from one player.

Jefferson - Would like to see him penetrate more. Teams have to respect his jumper, which is best on the team. Don’t understand why Muller does not use more high ball screens with Fayne and Yarbrough and his guards. They can all shoot. And F and Y can finish on the roll.

Tinsley - The confidence is not there because the effort is not there. He will sort out his role in the offense (which will be the 4th or 5th option - accept it). In the meantime, he should be trying to get 10 rebounds every game and holding his guy scoreless.

Gassman, Hein, Chastain - should not be shooting unless it is uncontested. Muller needs to play more zone when they are in there. And there should not be situations when 2 of them are on the floor together.

Rey - he really needs to play more. He should be setting a million screens and rebounding and blocking a shot here or there. We don’t need him to score. There should be 3 other guys on the court at all times who can score.
As an opposing coach, I would tell my guys to leave your trio wide open, and take my chances.

If we ran the offense thru Yarbs and Fayne to setup the 3, we would be better IMO. We seem to instead want to establish the 3, and play off of that.

I think Copeland erupts in the Caymans. I had no issue with his shooting last night. He took the wide open 3s that the defense gave him. They’ll start falling. Just like Jefferson will regress to the mean. His last 2 threes last night looked sick. So he’s already started the regression.

Bruninga could give another dimension when healthy.

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Humdinger wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:19 pm
Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:01 pm
Then I vote every single poster who name called me joins me. Otherwise not fair. He may not like me but he has to be fair.

Sure I'll volunteer to go. Don't believe I called you a name, but I'll take one for the team.
I’m against the timeout. With JSN around, suddenly I don’t seem so reviled.

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Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:53 pm

ISU FAN 1 wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:04 pm
Humdinger wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:19 pm
Jsnhbe1Birds wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:01 pm
Then I vote every single poster who name called me joins me. Otherwise not fair. He may not like me but he has to be fair.

Sure I'll volunteer to go. Don't believe I called you a name, but I'll take one for the team.
I’m against the timeout. With JSN around, suddenly I don’t seem so reviled.
It's hard, I know. You gonna be ok, Deano??(short for Dean's List. As in Mr. Dean's list)(well done, sir) How's retirement treating you? You're too dang young to be retired...

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Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:15 pm

Good analysis by V Boy.

As others have decried, the shot selection is not that good. Key is trying to get his game legs and flow back but he is rushing his shots. Plus, there are a lot more players who can score on this team than in previous years which will likely spread the points around more.

Why they don't run more offense through PF and MY is a conundrum to me. They are very hard to stop down low.

I like it when Rey and Phil and Milik are in the game together because it allows for more freedom down low since the D has to cover two bigs and a slasher. Once Rey starts to figure things out and the game slows down some he will be a force.

Why are they not running more uptempo of an offense -- this may be the most athletic team they have had in years. I wouldn't mind seeing them press and run more especially if they are deficient on D.

As opposed to what others may think -- Chastain can score. He actually is a pretty good shooter inside and outside. I don't mind him posting inside or shooting from downtown. Once he learns his defensive assignments better he may get more opportunity -- unless DM decides to reduce the rotation.

Rotation -- if you are going to play uptempo then you have to go deep 9-10+ players. If you are going to be a defensive type team and play half court offense then you may want to cap the rotation to 7-8. It is hard for a player to get into a rhythm if he doesn't get consistent PT. The other side is that the bench is deep and could maintain a consistent level of skill at all times on the court if you extend the rotation. The bottom line, you have to keep PF and MY on the court as the core to build upon. Once Key gets going then he will contribute more to the offense because we know he can drain the long ball.

This team has some players who can shoot and score -- but shot selection and tentativeness has been their downfall. Boogie was in a rhythm at the end of last year that I thought would have carried over to this year. He is forcing shots and seems tentative sometimes. The same with others. If they would just improve their shot selection then this would dramatically increase their ability to score.

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Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:21 am

Nice review, V Boy.

The only thing I'll respond to what has been said in this and other threads . . . the amount of PT some say is necessary for MY, PF, et al seems arbitrary, at best. If Milik can give me 25 minutes of awesome or 30+ minutes of meh, I want the awesome.

And he needs to quit with the chest thumping. I believe he had at least one time he got beat back on D because he was thumping his chest. That's one of the things I miss about O's style of play. No matter how fantastic the shot or jam, he was immediately focused on getting back on D. (And before anybody says "let the kids play" . . . I don't care about the chest thumping, so long as the player is making sure he's not getting beat back down the floor. That's just common sense.)
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:11 am

Bird Friend wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:21 am
Nice review, V Boy.

The only thing I'll respond to what has been said in this and other threads . . . the amount of PT some say is necessary for MY, PF, et al seems arbitrary, at best. If Milik can give me 25 minutes of awesome or 30+ minutes of meh, I want the awesome.

And he needs to quit with the chest thumping. I believe he had at least one time he got beat back on D because he was thumping his chest. That's one of the things I miss about O's style of play. No matter how fantastic the shot or jam, he was immediately focused on getting back on D. (And before anybody says "let the kids play" . . . I don't care about the chest thumping, so long as the player is making sure he's not getting beat back down the floor. That's just common sense.)
Agree 100% with this. I'm ok with chest thumping and amping up the crowd after bug shots or you get fooled, but stop doing it after every shot. If MY had Phil's attitude, he'd probably be an All-American.

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Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:05 am

Humdinger wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:53 pm
ISU FAN 1 wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:04 pm
Humdinger wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:19 pm



Sure I'll volunteer to go. Don't believe I called you a name, but I'll take one for the team.
I’m against the timeout. With JSN around, suddenly I don’t seem so reviled.
It's hard, I know. You gonna be ok, Deano??(short for Dean's List. As in Mr. Dean's list)(well done, sir) How's retirement treating you? You're too dang young to be retired...
It’s going well, except for the days the market tanks. Those were easier to shrug off when I still had a job. But, you can’t buy the years of freedom. It was the right choice for me.

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Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:24 am

ISU FAN 1 wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:05 am
Humdinger wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:53 pm
ISU FAN 1 wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:04 pm


I’m against the timeout. With JSN around, suddenly I don’t seem so reviled.
It's hard, I know. You gonna be ok, Deano??(short for Dean's List. As in Mr. Dean's list)(well done, sir) How's retirement treating you? You're too dang young to be retired...
It’s going well, except for the days the market tanks. Those were easier to shrug off when I still had a job. But, you can’t buy the years of freedom. It was the right choice for me.
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Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:48 am

I'm not giving a time out. I deleted it. Stop doing it.

As a reminder, please report posts you want me to look at. I get an email, sometimes at night I don't have time to check every post.
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isuquinndog wrote:
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I'm not giving a time out. I deleted it. Stop doing it.

As a reminder, please report posts you want me to look at. I get an email, sometimes at night I don't have time to check every post.
I hope it's not a problem but could you check the last 1200 posts from ISU FAN 1 ? :lol:

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Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:21 am

I've been thinking about this more.

I am really starting to think the key to this season boils down to one major thing.

Yarbrough and Tinsley are frontcourt players. They are not guards. For us to beat the best teams those two players must play like forwards, not guards. They have to rebound. They have to help on defense. They must not lose 1on1 battles on defense against the opposing teams' frontcourt players. They must not stand and watch on defense. They must play with urgency the entire time.

They should not be shooting contested perimeter shots. Ever.

There needs to be a reckoning in the locker room about this.

It can't just be Fayne. And maybe a little of Bruninga and Rey.

It's just not enough. They must play bigger. Or we will lose.

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Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:41 am

V Boy wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:21 am
I've been thinking about this more.

I am really starting to think the key to this season boils down to one major thing.

Yarbrough and Tinsley are frontcourt players. They are not guards. For us to beat the best teams those two players must play like forwards, not guards. They have to rebound. They have to help on defense. They must not lose 1on1 battles on defense against the opposing teams' frontcourt players. They must not stand and watch on defense. They must play with urgency the entire time.

They should not be shooting contested perimeter shots. Ever.

There needs to be a reckoning in the locker room about this.

It can't just be Fayne. And maybe a little of Bruninga and Rey.

It's just not enough. They must play bigger. Or we will lose.
I do agree with you on this. However, I could see the lack of a big from a mile away. We recruited Rey, but needed someone that could step in immediately. I don’t care if he just gave us 5 points 5 rebounds a game. Muller missed the boat on that spot. Yarborough is a 3...like it or not.

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Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:17 am

I'm glad to see some embracing Chastain. The kid can play. I think he's just getting used D1 speed. Remember, he hasn't really played since high school and has played limited minutes this season. It's probably generally unfair to be critical of players just three games into the season. I will point out a few things I've been impressed with.
Josh Jefferson can score, and not just shooting. I've mentioned it before but I think teams are going to have to plan for him like other MVC teams plan for Indiana State's Jordan Barnes.
I've really liked what Gassman has brought so far. He does exactly what he is supposed to. Yes, he lacks the athleticism to play a strong man defense but the rest of the team doesn't play well in the man anyway, so he fits right in.
As hinted earlier, Chastain can play. He will always shoot a high percentage because his basketball IQ is through the roof. Someone mentioned shot selection earlier, and he will never take a bad shot. He isn't overly aggressive, and takes what is there to him.
Rey is going to be a good player, but like Chastain, needs more time on the court to get used the speed. You can't teach his size and strength. You can teach everything else.
Phil is going to be in the running for MVC POY. He is so much more valuable than any other piece of the team and should touch the ball every possession.
Milik showed against Chicago St that he can take over when he wants to. We just need him to want to, every game.
I didn't mention Hein, Evans, Copeland, and Boogie because they haven't quite impressed me yet. Evans gets a flyer because he missed crucial practices weeks before the season. Copeland does too because he hasn't played in a year and is playing catch up.

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Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:41 am

Chastain looked horrible in game one despite his 8? points. He has quickly improved. That's what happens when out for 2 years. I have hope for him that he turns into a good role player. I think this year is pretty much getting his feet back under him, so to speak.

Jefferson looks great. Even though he's not starting he's one of the top players on the team by minutes.

Gassman has been better than last year but he shouldn't be starting.

If Milik can do every game what he did to Chicago State we'll be fine.

They need to feed it inside to Phil more. Not Phil's fault. I do think he needs to finish more non dunks but that's really stretching to find a problem. His free throw have gotten better.

Rey is raw but I see so much potential and wish he would play more.

Keyshawn has yet to find his groove. Hasn't looked good this year. I wonder how much the foot is bothering him.

If Bruninga isn't back until 1/1 -1/15 I'd think about medical redshirting him. Depends on if we have that luxury though. Everyone has to stay healthy and be performing. A lot of ifs.

Tinsley has looked bad on offense and has seemed to fall out of favor. I wouldn't give up on him because he di the same thing last season. Maybe he's a slow starter. If he comes around again he will be huge.

Hein - as Steven A Smith said about Mario Chalmers, "should be locked in a closet with no round onjects of any kind."
I'm kidding for everyone who takes thing literally here.
Look, the kid has the most heart and passion on the team. He is a natural born leader and hustles his heart out. Should only be playing garbage minutes though. This kid will be very successful.

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