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Anyone have any background on HCDM's tweet this evening?


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ISU_DirtyBird wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:08 pm
Anyone have any background on HCDM's tweet this evening?

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Bilas is absolutely right......from a player's perspective.
Muller is absolutely right...from a coach/institution's perspective.

Regardless, this is good press for Illinois State University and ISU hoops especially if one subscribes to the concept that the only bad press is no press. However this is GREAT press for Dan Muller. It is going to be hard for some struggling major basketball university that has fired their coach to not like Muller and his style both on and off the court. Muller works social media very well and I think that is going to help expose his on the court success.

Again too bad ISU did not invest in ISU hoops by locking up Muller by increasing his pay meaningfully. IMO a missed opportunity to move ISU athletics forward.

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ChiRedbirdfan wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:31 pm
Bilas is absolutely right......from a player's perspective.
Muller is absolutely right...from a coach/institution's perspective.

Regardless, this is good press for Illinois State University and ISU hoops especially if one subscribes to the concept that the only bad press is no press. However this is GREAT press for Dan Muller. It is going to be hard for some struggling major basketball university that has fired their coach to not like Muller and his style both on and off the court.

Again too bad ISU did not invest in ISU hoops by locking up Muller by increasing his pay meaningfully. IMO a missed opportunity to move ISU athletics forward.
I agree with all of the above.

No reason for players to have to sit when they transfer, BUT result of this will be unrestricted free agency for all. Fair to players, sure, but what's the point of even trying to build a team/system/program if they abolish the "sit" year? Just recruit athletes, roll the ball out there and see what happens.

As for Muller, the new deal is window dressing. Solid bitmoji/Twitter game builds his brand along with ISU's. Smart move going this route - now all of college basketball knows his face...or at least the bitmoji version of it.

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ChiRedbirdfan wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:31 pm
Bilas is absolutely right......from a player's perspective.
Muller is absolutely right...from a coach/institution's perspective.

Regardless, this is good press for Illinois State University and ISU hoops especially if one subscribes to the concept that the only bad press is no press. However this is GREAT press for Dan Muller. It is going to be hard for some struggling major basketball university that has fired their coach to not like Muller and his style both on and off the court. Muller works social media very well and I think that is going to help expose his on the court success.

Again too bad ISU did not invest in ISU hoops by locking up Muller by increasing his pay meaningfully. IMO a missed opportunity to move ISU athletics forward.


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Bilas is a front running piece of crap.

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bombay wrote: ↑
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Bilas is a front running piece of crap.
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He is a pompous A$$ ! I can not stand to listen to him!!!

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Muller doesn't care about bilas even though he has a P5 bias. Muller is smart. He's just trying to make headlines to get isu on the map. Helps with recruits.

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If transfers could leave at will it would be a nightmare for the mids. P5 would raid our best players at will. Would be the end of college basketball. Even the NBA doesn't have players doing that. Good for DM for speaking up!!!

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It isn't any better for the P5 either. Judging by the feed back this has gotten from many P5 coaches I don't see it happening. Coaches want as much control as possible.

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If they don't want players to transfer why don't they get rid of the student athlete crap and turn it into a semi-professional business in which the players are allowed access to free education AND can sign a 2 year or 4 year contract in which they are bound to the school and can make some money? If they don't want to take advantage of the free education, so be it. Probably because the schools want their cake and want to eat it too....

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Birdman85 wrote: ↑
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It isn't any better for the P5 either. Judging by the feed back this has gotten from many P5 coaches I don't see it happening. Coaches want as much control as possible.
:text-+1: Agree many P5s would not like this. There is almost always a higher P5 basketball power (Duke,UNC, UCLA, Kansas) that could in theory also take lesser P5 basketball power (Kansas State, Iowa State, Boston College, Mississippi, Miami...etc) young talented players too.

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HCDM can rock it on the internets
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Rick Neuheisel and Kermit Davis (Middle Tennessee State's coach) were discussing this on an XM radio show yesterday. Both were opposed to the new proposal. I don't know the details of the proposal but they were talking about other details above and beyond the requirement to sit out a year that could would make recruiting from other teams open warfare among coaches. One was that coaches wouldn't have to give permission if another coach wanted to get into contact with his player and that the transfer could happen at semester's end...so a player could transfer mid-season in basketball or prior to the college football playoffs (or title game in fcs).

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ILSTUGRAD11 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:18 am
If they don't want players to transfer why don't they get rid of the student athlete crap and turn it into a semi-professional business in which the players are allowed access to free education AND can sign a 2 year or 4 year contract in which they are bound to the school and can make some money? If they don't want to take advantage of the free education, so be it. Probably because the schools want their cake and want to eat it too....
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I was thinking about this same idea. I'd add some flexibility in those 'contracts' though giving the student flexibility if they fail to uphold their commitment having to reimburse the school of those scholarship funds if they choose to transfer for whatever reason. I'm still hesitant on the paid collegiate athlete. Their payment can be the form of free education/room & board which is a valuable thing to receive considering the rising costs of universities these days.

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ISU_DirtyBird wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:47 am
ILSTUGRAD11 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:18 am
If they don't want players to transfer why don't they get rid of the student athlete crap and turn it into a semi-professional business in which the players are allowed access to free education AND can sign a 2 year or 4 year contract in which they are bound to the school and can make some money? If they don't want to take advantage of the free education, so be it. Probably because the schools want their cake and want to eat it too....
:text-+1:
I was thinking about this same idea. I'd add some flexibility in those 'contracts' though giving the student flexibility if they fail to uphold their commitment having to reimburse the school of those scholarship funds if they choose to transfer for whatever reason. I'm still hesitant on the paid collegiate athlete. Their payment can be the form of free education/room & board which is a valuable thing to receive considering the rising costs of universities these days.


No, no, no. Colleges and universities aren't about running minor leagues for the pros. Things are bad enough as they are. They already have minor league hoops and baseball, and they should for football too, and universities should get back to the business of educating young people and running athletic programs that stand alone as a balanced part of the overall educational "experience". Enough of the "pro" BS.


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